tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post5990399218113320936..comments2023-10-31T08:17:07.012-05:00Comments on Aunty Belle's Back Porch ( Serious Talk ): Want Peace? Do not Fear WarAunty Bellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-62797950029757638202007-10-11T19:37:00.000-05:002007-10-11T19:37:00.000-05:00Who are "they"?I get your point...women are posses...Who are "they"?<BR/>I get your point...<BR/>women are possessions, lower than dogs in many cases.<BR/><BR/>I just feel that "hack them to pieces" is a bit harsh for a southern fried belle.<BR/><BR/>just because "they" already do the hacking, well, this is a slippery slope.<BR/><BR/>I see your points here, I do. However, the slope gets steep when terms like "they" and "Islamics" are used. Tempers flare.<BR/><BR/>I have a migraine and am medicated for it, so i will stop here.<BR/><BR/>There, are, 44,000 who will go into battle.<BR/>I always thought it was a spiritual battle against solid evil.<BR/><BR/>You will like the info I am sending to you.<BR/><BR/>Let's not forget the raping of children with swords.<BR/>that is some pretty effing awful hacking.<BR/><BR/>"They" are not angels.<BR/><BR/>But I kinda think burkas are neat.<BR/>(optional burkas, not imposed ones)<BR/><BR/>Ah, I think I just got it.<BR/><BR/>"THEY" are men. Did I get it right?<BR/><BR/>Men with dark hearts.<BR/><BR/>I think I see, ok well, naptime for me, or I will just ramble along.<BR/><BR/>We need a new post over here.Infinitesimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130512550173905348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-37021934509603644112007-10-11T14:11:00.000-05:002007-10-11T14:11:00.000-05:00Roxanne, answer the Hitler question please.Roxanne, answer the Hitler question please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-92206555870631752832007-10-11T13:58:00.000-05:002007-10-11T13:58:00.000-05:00Whoa? What would you do Infini when they try stone...Whoa? <BR/><BR/>What would you do Infini when they try stone arrest Red for driving a car? Stone her for immodesty (no veil)? Ya' gonna engage in "rational dialog"?Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-5921221738087091322007-10-11T13:50:00.000-05:002007-10-11T13:50:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-52885464895434767212007-10-11T13:04:00.000-05:002007-10-11T13:04:00.000-05:00YIKES!!!"Hack them to pieces?"Whoah Nellie.... who...YIKES!!!<BR/><BR/>"Hack them to pieces?"<BR/><BR/>Whoah Nellie.... whoah.Infinitesimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130512550173905348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-61556681363265180422007-10-10T15:54:00.000-05:002007-10-10T15:54:00.000-05:00ROTFLOL!!! Red....now Red....C'mon, Armstrong was ...ROTFLOL!!! <BR/><BR/>Red....now Red....C'mon, Armstrong was invited by Pakistan to help give a speech in honor of Mohamed's birthday!! That yore idea of reliable perspective on Islam? <BR/><BR/>Baby doll, Aunty knows ya' ain't read Armstrong--mebbe read a review--but Aunty has her books on the desk--an' I'll be quotin' her fer---ah--"balance"...but doan kid yore self--she done lost her credibility when muslims write glowingly of her--and how is this gem (written BTW by a Muslim):<BR/><BR/>"She said that her attitude is formed by Marshal Hodgson, ex-teacher of Nurcholish Madjid and Amien Rais from the Chicago University, who introduced her to the science of compassion. With it, she said, we will *feel* the others’ feeling, so we will have space within to accept them. <BR/><BR/> (oh- thas' scientific--hoo-eee. I'm chokin here...another dern emoter, not a scholar, but an emoter...)<BR/><BR/>More:<BR/>"Wilfred C. Smith, who established Islamic Studies Institute in McGill University in the end of 50s, also impressed her. In order to understand Islam, this Indian Islamic expert required that the institute in McGill be occupied by at least 50% of Muslim students. She also has principle: what I talk about Islam will be valid as long as the Muslim say “amin” to her.<BR/><BR/>With such mental attitude, Armstrong wrote her books. Her biography about Muhammad becomes the Muslim’s favorite. Akbar Ahmed –a prominent Muslim from Pakistan in the US- said to her, “Your book is a love story. If only you met the Prophet, you will definitely want to be his 15th wife!” due to that book Armstrong was invited to deliver speech in the celebration of the Prophet’s birthday! "<BR/><BR/>..............gag.<BR/><BR/>Red, Sugar, hope ya can hold on to some of yore firey temper--youse gonna need it when they try to shut you up in a burkha. (Aunty will hack 'em ter pieces and save ya'.)Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-59222120762772523002007-10-10T12:59:00.000-05:002007-10-10T12:59:00.000-05:00Red, without the U.S., you wouldn't be living the ...<I>Red, without the U.S., you wouldn't be living the life you live now.</I><BR/><BR/>preacher101,<BR/><BR/>quite true ... life would be better, than this BS police state-war-against drugs the US has constantly tried to shove down our throats. yeah, without the us my life would be different, but not in the way you think! and life would be better here, without the diversion of our waterways, that threaten our native sweetwater species ... don't kid yourself, y'all are not out there, on your conquests for world domination out of some altrusitic notion ... y'all wanna dominate ... canada is just some plethora of natural resources that y'all just wanna plunder. <BR/><BR/>so ... don't get me started with that arrogant attitude. like i said, i see things differently, coz i'm the only one here who's not of the empire of the USA. <BR/><BR/>perhaps if you'd make an effort to learn about the world ... as opposed to trying to change everything.<BR/><BR/>as for war. war = killing. killing is wrong. no matter the circumstances. its wrong. the end. <BR/><BR/>ab i don't follow your logic about the surgeons. its a non-sequitor.<BR/><BR/>for those who really want to learn about the real muhammad, read karen armstrong's book. <BR/><BR/>you do not see AB how everything you write is motivated by your religious POV. i am responding to your deepseated need to want to pick and poke thru history to support your beliefs. that's all. you made the post, not me. <BR/><BR/>its quite impossible to discuss the history of the crusade-type wars without discussing the context, which happens to be religious! <BR/><BR/>you have always been in rejection mode of anything that does not fit in your very small box. but, alas, you don't see it ... coz you can't see outside of the box. <BR/><BR/>sianara ... for real this time i have had enough of this ... i WILL NOT return. there's no point, you just want to preach to the convereted. that's is not me.<BR/><BR/>but, one good thing is you have spurred me into action. i now have this thirst to learn of islam on my own ... i will make some posts soon and they will be scholarly and balanced. <BR/><BR/>the koran is highly mystical, and open to much interpretation, just like the NT ... and any other holy book for that matter.<BR/><BR/>GOODBYE.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-61425921440955899762007-10-10T11:14:00.000-05:002007-10-10T11:14:00.000-05:00i explained about the grapes over at my post.i explained about the grapes over at my post.Infinitesimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130512550173905348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-75097273632236447852007-10-09T20:25:00.000-05:002007-10-09T20:25:00.000-05:00Hey Red, I'se real glad youse readin' the Qur'an. ...Hey Red, I'se real glad youse readin' the Qur'an. Ya's gettin' a jump on thangs--real happy about that. Lemme know what ya think of the movie Inside Islam.<BR/><BR/>Red, the thang wif' Jesus and Peter (yep it was Peter) was personal. Jesus knew that the soldiers who arrested Him were were serving heaven's purposes.<BR/><BR/>Red, jes' sayin', that some thangs is gettin' jumbled up in this discussion...each idea is not applicable in all situations. <BR/><BR/>Example: We all think equality and fair treatment should be followed--but not in the operating room. If a sity needs 50 surgeons, and surgeons make a lotta $$, we don't line up folks and give med licenses to every 50th person, until we have the 50 surgeons we need? just to keep it fair. Why is this?<BR/><BR/>Why are short boys not allowed on the Lakers team--it isn't fair, it is is discrimination against short men....<BR/><BR/>We doan apply every idea of what is "right" or "fair" to every human interaction--iffin' we did NUTHIN' would get done or be done well.<BR/><BR/>Jesus had a very define purpose and time frame. We are His followers and there could be a time for us to die a martyr's death rather than to do a wrong. <BR/><BR/>But war is not inherently immoral.<BR/>I posed the question earlier--would you have left Hitler alone? Diplomacy had failed, even bribery had failed--Hitler (like Saddam ) was insane. "rational" means would not work with either of them.<BR/><BR/>We may disagree on Iraq, but for the purpose of your blanket statement on war, please tell me how Hitler should have been handled. What of the genocide in Rwanda, Red? The world is permitting that to happen---whar' is yore heart for the Rwandan people? <BR/><BR/>The problem darlin', is that there is evil in the world and iffin' we allow it to go unchecked it takes over. Korea, Rwanda, Sudan, Iran. <BR/>What would you have done about Hitler?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Howdy Preacher 101...thanky fer yore comments. <BR/><BR/>I think ya' has a real good point: We have not leveled the Middle East. We coulda, but din't. We show restraint. Why? Because, as ya say, war has rules. <BR/><BR/>And because we do *not* hate them, we see many many good muslims who are bein' disgustingly oppressed. I know an Iranian professor at U Cal who described such horror that it is amzing that he can function. <BR/><BR/>Even tonight there is Shia on Shia violence in Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Welcome to the BACK Porch!Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-74672587737996536342007-10-09T16:57:00.000-05:002007-10-09T16:57:00.000-05:00Aunty Belle, you are one smart lady. And I like yo...Aunty Belle, you are one smart lady. And I like your manner.<BR/><BR/>Red, without the U.S., you wouldn't be living the life you live now. War is always going to be necessary, because people are basically evil. Don't equate war with terror: war has rules, terror doesn't. That's why fighting terrorists is the hardest thing to do militarily (I'm a former U.S. Marine, for a point of reference). That's why we have Geneva conventions. That's why we haven't leveled the Middle East.Preacher101https://www.blogger.com/profile/05276465225837922684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-3596480175951371542007-10-09T13:40:00.000-05:002007-10-09T13:40:00.000-05:00zionism and extreme christianity have been causing...zionism and extreme christianity have been causing terror to many people for years now. your gov't is funding it. so, perhaps the usa, 'champion of freedom' (hahahahahaha, i say that tongue in cheek) should take out itself first, then? <BR/><BR/>war begets war ... just ask anyone who has lived in northern ireland.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-5199554743695208422007-10-09T13:37:00.000-05:002007-10-09T13:37:00.000-05:00war = terror. you will not convince me otherwise. ...war = terror. you will not convince me otherwise. i like to think of that scene, in the garden of gethsemane, when peter (was it peter?) cut of the ear of of guard that had come to take jesus away. hmmmmm ~ what was jesus' reaction?<BR/><BR/>just a question for thought.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-74699920278572128342007-10-09T13:35:00.000-05:002007-10-09T13:35:00.000-05:00some information ... NOTE: by posting this link i ...some information ... NOTE: by posting this link i am NOT saying i buy any of the info posted there ... i am in the process of going thru the koran verse by verse to check each citation out for myself. i just thought others might like to have the references to which islam-haters seem to be appealing. for the record, i have gone thru approx 25 % of these ... none of them convince me, when considered in the context of the work itself. actually, its not any less fire and brimstone than the OT.<BR/><BR/>anyhoo ~ <A HREF="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html" REL="nofollow">here's the link</A><BR/><BR/>also ... <A HREF="http://cruelvirgin.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">enemy of the republic</A>, a fellow blogger and also a scholar, has recommended the film "Inside Islam" ... fyi. i am in the process of procuring said film.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-6749227217276149952007-10-09T09:50:00.000-05:002007-10-09T09:50:00.000-05:00Oh, Red, Red, Red.....first, AGAIN, this post is *...Oh, Red, Red, Red.....<BR/>first, AGAIN, this post is *not* the beginning of the three to come on Islam. It is *not* a lesson started in the middle--since it is not a lesson.<BR/><BR/>AN fer that matter, pumpkin, the essays ter follow will not be "lessons" as Aunty ain't conductin' no course --cause ya'll doan wanna be doin' the homework (Hee hee)!<BR/><BR/>Red, with all due love and respect, youse in rejection mode, at the moment, ya know? Yore whole stance is not one of open inquiry, but adamant rejection. <BR/><BR/>That response on Lepanto is a good example--first, the point of the post is not about theology. <BR/><BR/>Notice how Aunty didn't add in the stuff about Our Lady of Victory, or the Pope askin' the rosary prayed...did ya note that? <BR/><BR/>See, Aunty ain't makin' the story about religion but about *politics* and history of it. (17 Western ships and 7,500 men lost,while the Muslims loss of 200 warships and 20,000 seamen. The psychological boost of the victory was enormous, and the psychological blow to the Islamic warriors was significant--a turning point...<BR/><BR/>although, natcherly, them Moslems came again, and again...until the King of Poland saved Vienna from Islam as they laid siege to it for the second time...an NOT coincidently, that were on 9/11 1683 as Osama and Christopher Hitchens reminded the us. Osama named 9/11/01 as "unfinished bidness" wif the West.<BR/><BR/>As for the Holy League being DIS united--oh yeah--they dern shure was--did ya read the Chesterton poem? An why was that? Same as NOW, darlin'---look over at Europe and see whas' up....the PERSONAL of some leaders is more important that than doin' good.)<BR/><BR/>It's Red that wants to make it into a theology rant. <BR/><BR/>Also, it is a post--not a course in European polly-ticks of 1500s. <BR/><BR/>Aunty's posts is already too long says SHE-Pup, so natcherly, a whole lot is left out.<BR/><BR/>Yore rehash of Lepanto is so balled up in presumptions and predjudices and a desire to equalize all religions, all idiotologies that youse lost any sense of scope. <BR/>...........<BR/>.............Red Lady, let Aunty invite ya to a thought experiment:<BR/><BR/>If all religious, political systems and groups of people is as gnarly as the next, if all cultures and traditions is as heinous as the next, why is ya' so upset over stuff? Why not content yoreself wif the bidness of the day, enjoy the sunny mornin', have another cup of java and read up on yore genealogy--all of thas is good stuff, and worth yore time.<BR/><BR/>Given yore stance, ain't no need ter git in a swivet if it all the same, an' it's all evil and all worthless and all lyin', then whas' the point in studying history or polly-ticks or cultures? <BR/><BR/> Why not jes' git on yore Che shirt an' shoot up the whole world and put it out of its misery? <BR/><BR/>An then ya' says cultural genocide doan have no benefits? !!<BR/> <BR/>Then tell us Sugar, why is ya' complicit wif' the cultural genocide of yore own culture? <BR/><BR/>Churchill said we wither fight them while we's strong or risk losing all because we we dithered around being "understandin'" <BR/><BR/>When ya quoted Churchill ya didn't grasp his context---the nazi's shoulda been left along in your vision of thangs, Red? THink we'uns oughta let them Nazi's keep their culture? youse throwin' out ideas as if they's free-floatin' slogans, honey. SOME cultures is not worth keepin'---an' SOMEbody will have ter fight them. <BR/><BR/>An' the SOMEbody who does git up the gumption ter deal wif' reality will not be perfect, not be wif'out <BR/>personal sins of greed or powerlust or revenge...like a Constantine. <BR/><BR/>Now Red, looky, Aunty gots an affection fer ya (even iffin' ya wanna slap it away) or I wouldn't take so much time on this---think fer a minute on this:<BR/><BR/>Youse got medical background...what use is a nice person who loves folks and wants ter help them and goes off ter study medicine and surgery. But she is blood and bone squeamish. She cain't stand the gore of it all---even when she knows it would save the patient.<BR/><BR/>War is bloody. Heads git put on spikes (that were the ISlamic way, BTW, so the spikin' of the Ali were the West's way of saying back to Islam "ya reap what ya sow"). It is a form of military surgery, an' the purpose is to save the body (of the nation/culture youse defendin').Ya' ain't gonna git no clean wars--I hate war, like ever'body thas' sane. I doan live in no vacuum. I got boys, doan wanna git 'em back in body bags. <BR/><BR/>But peace is NOT the absence of war. Peace is the freedom to live without terror. When an idiotology threatens to turn its ideas into bombs and plague and go-rilla terror on the streets of Paris, London Madrid, New York it is TIME to take it out.<BR/><BR/>I'se recommendin' Niccolo Cappoin's book to ya--he is a military historian.Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-43710065430588494192007-10-09T01:18:00.000-05:002007-10-09T01:18:00.000-05:00yeah,me and the Indians in the class were just loo...yeah,<BR/><BR/>me and the Indians in the class were just looking at one another, because she stated that Indians liked the boarding schools more than once.<BR/><BR/>I called her on it, and she admitted that SOME schools were a drag.... but others, were places that indians were glad that they went to.<BR/><BR/>Man Mantissa, I am not saying that is MY understanding of history, but it certainly is what's being taught in HER classroom!<BR/><BR/>did you email me yet?Infinitesimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130512550173905348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-91542288786186427962007-10-09T00:30:00.000-05:002007-10-09T00:30:00.000-05:00about war ~ those who bow to war fever become, not...about war ~ those who bow to war fever become, not its master, but they enslaved by it. churchill's words.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-33225632782938066982007-10-09T00:28:00.000-05:002007-10-09T00:28:00.000-05:00... that Indians liked the boarding schools (some ...<I> ... that Indians liked the boarding schools (some actually did)</I><BR/><BR/>i have not heard any living resident of such a school say they liked being forcibly removed from their homes, and being sent to some loveless place where people who had nothing but contempt for them abused and beat them, under the guise of 'teaching'. no doubt the history you heard was different than the one of which i speak. <BR/><BR/><I>I'd be willing to BET that if you look DEEPER into this situation you describe in Canada, you will find:<BR/><BR/>People with motives that were primarily Political, Economic, Secular, Nationalistic etc. Who fully supported whatever it is you say some Missionairies did. And reaped far more tangible benefits than they did.</I><BR/><BR/>what benefits do cultural genocide have? please ... tell me. it was purely a dominance thing ... an extermination thing ~ a mini-holocaust. plain and simple. and i have, my friends, heard many primary accounts of the sheer brutality of the governing individuals and the clergy/religious of the time. no doubt about it ... it was ego and conceit and bigotry. and the government is paying dearly for it ~ huge payouts have been made in recompensation to the living victims. that is all the evidence one needs ~ seems to me an admission of guilt. <BR/><BR/>have you read the black robe? it portrays both the jesuit missionaries and the natives in a human, flawed light. and the barbarism of brutality of life in that era.<BR/><BR/>anyway ~ this is stealing the thunder of a very interesting post on an interesting naval battle. sorry for the digression ... just wanted to address that comment.<BR/><BR/>many here seem to be seeking fact and history to bolster their religious beliefs. i, however, really do not find that interesting. <BR/><BR/>besides, no one will ever really convince anyone here to believe anything differently than they currently do. elucidation of the facts surrounding any historical situation seems ~ to me ~ quite different from picking history that fits with what we think.<BR/><BR/>i am not here to debate theology, religious philosophy or dogma. i am here to discuss a war battle ... how about we strip away the religious and political rhetoric and look at this from the historical perspective? <BR/><BR/><I>My point is that Islam as a religious AND political system (structure)is at fault.</I><BR/><BR/>apply the same logic and you will find that Catholicism, as conjured by that anti-semetic, megalomaniac brute constantine and his henchmen ... is equally at fault. i want to make the distinction between the distorted politically carved catholicism of current day and that intended by its founders. they are not one and the same. the current regime in the vatican is equally (tho more covertly) repugnant as the islam to which you refer. <BR/><BR/>one thing i read just lately that seems to fit here ~ the blood of martyrs is the seed of the church. indeed ... that, i find quite revolting.<BR/><BR/>i venture a guess that your opposition to islam is rooted in your religious belief, not any logic that would appeal to the masses. prove me wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>Those who live by this standard are more likely to kill, pillage, rape, burn wives, wage war, seek conquest, crush freedom of speech, freedom of religion...the standard is evil.</I><BR/><BR/>that's how the romans/catholics lived, aunty ... that's the history ... sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, if ya ask me.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-22095358124342681982007-10-08T21:40:00.000-05:002007-10-08T21:40:00.000-05:00well i have poked around and done my own research ...well i have poked around and done my own research on the battle of lepanto. things i learned:<BR/><BR/>1. the feast of the holy rosary is actually a day the catholic church instituted to honour this carnage. how perverse ~ to use our lady to honour so much carnage and death. seems almost heretical to use such a blessed creature to honour something so ugly.<BR/><BR/>2. i wonder why the holy league felt it necessary to display ali pasha's head from the pike of the spanish flagship. <BR/><BR/>3. the holy league's disunity prevented their recovery of constantinople/istanbul.<BR/><BR/>4. the strengths of the respective forces: the holy league ~ 212 vs the ottomans ~ 286<BR/><BR/>5. naval innovation and the fact that the turks did not move fast enough to implement the innovations which the atlantic states did played a role in the battle. apparently the ottoman fleet seemed weighted for speed and tactical mobility, not so much combat power.<BR/><BR/>6. the battle ended the invincibility of the turks, but not their supremacy over the land ... not right away. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>references:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://web.archive.org/web/20040703063753/http://www.angelfire.com/ga4/guilmartin.com/Lepanto.html" REL="nofollow">tactics of lepanto</A><BR/><BR/>Lepanto 1571: The Greatest Naval Battle of the Renaissance<BR/><BR/>he Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II<BR/><BR/>there is a lot of info on this battle ... its underpinnings go well beyond the brainless religious fanaticism ... its rooted in socioeconomic factors that impinged upon the resources for battle of each side.<BR/><BR/>starting a lesson on islam with this battle, seems like starting a lesson in the middle. but, nonetheless, now that i have researched this ... i have learned something. thanx for this.the.red.mantissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01648363657298594034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-46397808937649152742007-10-08T19:18:00.000-05:002007-10-08T19:18:00.000-05:00Thanks Auntie for this wonderful history lesson. ...Thanks Auntie for this wonderful history lesson. I'm a bit late and haven't read everyone's comments yet--just your original post. (Must do that soon!) First, I went and read G.K.Chesterton's poem "Lepanto"--something I've always wanted to do! Also, I've been meaning to read "Don Juan" by Lord Byron, but don't know if it's any good. Have you read it? Thanks! Happy reading! bookladythe bookladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263580845211880738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-18004468566346803762007-10-08T10:05:00.000-05:002007-10-08T10:05:00.000-05:00Red Mantissa,I try to stick with what I know and a...Red Mantissa,<BR/><BR/>I try to stick with what I know and avoid "claims" that can't be substantiated. And I KNOW that Clark's motivations were Nationalistic, Economic, Political, and Secular. And had very very little or nothing to do with the fact that he was once Baptized. His "boss", President Jefferson, was even less religious than he was.<BR/><BR/>I'd be willing to BET that if you look DEEPER into this situation you describe in Canada, you will find:<BR/><BR/>People with motives that were primarily Political, Economic, Secular, Nationalistic etc. Who fully supported whatever it is you say some Missionairies did. And reaped far more tangible benefits than they did.hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341805107057968097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-28524228924422504412007-10-08T09:18:00.000-05:002007-10-08T09:18:00.000-05:00A word to posters: no foul language please--- even...A word to posters: no foul language please--- even whar' what ya's sayin' is historically true, phrase it so it is PG-21. Ya' can find an intelligent descriptive word for Saddam and Osama. <BR/><BR/>So here is an idea fer an enterprisin' wordsmith:<BR/>The Foul Mouth's Thesaurus<BR/>it would sell out.Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-81276476783228980282007-10-08T00:53:00.000-05:002007-10-08T00:53:00.000-05:00http://kamangir.net/2007/05/21/iranian-bloggers-ra...http://kamangir.net/2007/05/21/iranian-bloggers-raid-<BR/>against-police-brutality/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-66425402564010225742007-10-08T00:51:00.000-05:002007-10-08T00:51:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-72070138170057250722007-10-08T00:07:00.000-05:002007-10-08T00:07:00.000-05:00Oh! Sorry Fini, didn't see ya at first---interesti...Oh! Sorry Fini, didn't see ya at first---interestin' stuff on Indians.Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23067963.post-33120066635902360922007-10-08T00:01:00.000-05:002007-10-08T00:01:00.000-05:00SIGH...sigh....Hey Red--happy to see ya! Gracious...SIGH...sigh....Hey Red--happy to see ya! Gracious--some of yore points we has covered, but lemme note again that yore comment below is correct:<BR/><BR/>"ALL MEN AND WOMEN POSSESS THE CAPABILITY FOR HEINOUS EVIL ~ Christians have certainly committed their share of evil atrocities, just as Jews and Muslims and Atheists have. no one group has more or less of a propensity for evil and abuse and violence."<BR/><BR/>Youse RIGHT.<BR/><BR/>Lemme go on record fully four square and say thas' all true.<BR/><BR/>BUT, it is not the point. <BR/><BR/> What yore statement is, is a backdrop against which we can:<BR/>1) lament the universal human condition, <BR/><BR/>2)point to WHY utopian hopes for perfectin' mankind will never work, <BR/><BR/>3)even use it as evidence to support Orignal Sin (Ardy, doan tear out yore hair!)<BR/><BR/>The point is *not* the hideous transgressions of weak and sick members of an ideology or religion. A traitorous Canadian does not invalidate the Canadian Constitution. It simply proves that some Canadians are weak and vicious. IF that Canadian had lived up to the Canadian laws, he would be OKAY. He did not, which makes *him * bad, but does not make Canada bad.<BR/><BR/>That any member of a group cannot personally live up to the standards of the organization(clan, nation, religion, ideology, etc) ain't no warrant to dismiss the standards. <BR/>The person, not the standard is at fault.<BR/><BR/>My point is that Islam as a religious AND political system (structure)is at fault. Here I'se saying the *standard* is the fault. Those who live by this standard are more likely to kill, pillage, rape, burn wives, wage war, seek conquest, crush freedom of speech, freedom of religion...the standard is evil.<BR/><BR/>Systemically evil. EVERY political entity run/ruled by Muslims is de facto flawed since it is based on sharia law, that is, based on the Qur'an. <BR/><BR/>It would be analagous to the Canadian Constitution teaching war and pillage and wife burnin' as a fair standard of behavior for Canadians. <BR/><BR/>The point is about systems-- not individuals, good or bad.<BR/><BR/>SO, yes, throughout history, across all borders, ethnicity, language, creeds, ideologies, theys been plenty of bad eggs...but the difference is they was bad eggs in a good basket. I'se sayin' ISLAM is a bad basket. May have a good egg or two in it, but the container, the reference point, is intrinsically bad and infects many of the eggs it contains. <BR/><BR/>As to primary sources--I did say I was workin' on it, and I'se sorry it is takin' a bit of time, tryin' ter make it reader friendly and easy to use. Hang in here wif' me, darlin'<BR/><BR/>ON Indians and all else ya' mentioned--this post was three thangs:<BR/><BR/>1) about one specific battle in history that we recall on Oct 7th<BR/><BR/>2) not about the Aztecs or any Indians at all --that were Ardlair's addition.<BR/><BR/>3) This post was not meant as one of the planned three thas' a'commin' on Islam.<BR/><BR/>On tolerance/ intolerance:<BR/><BR/>Disagreement with a point made is not evidence of intolerance. <BR/><BR/>I doan take no offense when folks disagree wif' anything I writes. (I does t ake offense at foul language) I hope they doan take offense when I doan agree wif them. That is why we have exchanges--to dig around and uncover truth.<BR/><BR/>I cain't be tolerant of foul language because I'se allergic to it, my Mama could look in here and have a stroke, I have chillens who could look in here and find I'se lettin' other's break decency rules I doan let them break.<BR/><BR/>MErcy...looky folks, ya'll carry on iffin' ya want. Aunty's got to git to writin' these three essays on Islam.Aunty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13868780211706866610noreply@blogger.com