Now ya'll, when topics heat up, that is BACK Porch fare, since the FRONT Porch is for "lighter fare" with a more amiable subject matter. So, I've moved this lil' chat back heah for additional exploration. Iffin' ya'll want to read the original salvo, slip on around to the Front Porch and click the link to come back heah and join the fray.
Now, heah, chickens, is what the first testy respondent said (in Italics) , interpsersed with my own reply preceded by these heah dots.....
This remains a most depressing place.
I come seeking some spiritual insight from a practising christian and find the same claptrap each time.
.....Fair enough, Ardlair. I've mended mah ways, sugar, and the FRONT will be reserved for the aforementioned lighter, uplifitin' communal sorta exchange.
or whether you visit the front or back porch, in this house of an alleged man of god, you find only intolerance, prejudice, stereotyping, bigotry.....and all the other things that accompany religious fanatacism.
... Well, now, puddin' what is intolerant about mah remarks? or bigoted? You are not suggstin' that any negative assesment of a system of belief is bigoted or streotypical now are ya? Cause iffin' that's yore position, youse caught redhanded in yore own definition since youse always sterotypin' Christians. Now think a moment--if Islam's dogma is in fact pernicious, then sayin' so isn't bigoted or predjudiced a'tall; it's jes' saying the truth however unwelcome it is to think about.
So, rather than throw epithets at ole' Aunty Belle, impugning her sterlin' character (smile), why doan you simply respond to the points made, iffin' you can --an' don't drag out "muslims I have known" but let's keep it to what Islam teaches/preaches. Thas' the point, honey, What do it teach its adherents? How do those teachings assimilate in democracies? Do they teach sompin' that is necessarily a threat to yore own freedoms? If Scotland is suddenly subject to shari'a law, is this OK wif ya? This heah argument ain't about me, ya' see? It's about the points made--reply to those, refute them, add to them -whatever youse moved to do.
I travel and work frequently in the Middle East, Africa, and the Far East. Places where Muslims abound. I suspect you may have never seen your state line.
Have ya' darlin? Well, thas' wonderful. I'm thrilled for ya. But it doan answer the points.
As for mah travels and experiences--now whose bigoted? Iffin' I am a pore ole 'cracker lady who ain't never been further than the General Store in the County Seat, do that matter a'tall to the points made? Address the points, and doan duck 'em by tryin' to sterotype the point maker.
What would ya ' want, anyway? Youse wouldn't be suggestin' that only a lady whose traveled widely, curtsies to the Queen, chats up diplomats, or speaks to foreign parliaments is qualified to point out the obvious about what the Qu'ran teaches, would ya? Naw...you'd reject anybody no matter how quaified, iffin' what they said upset yore wishful world.
And I've seen more poverty, ignorance and brutality on a day in Detroit than a month in Muscat.
.....and that signifies what, precisely, in relation to the teaching of the Qu'ran?
Here's the thang, sugar, we doan know what yore brutes in Motown believe--and they's could very well be Muslims since DE-troit is whar the highest number of muslims live in the USA--but they could be atheists, Christians, eco-terrorists from a Gaia gathering, drug crazed pitiful street urchins, who knows? But it doan matter UNLESS what they believe taught them to be brutes, and keeps 'em in poverty, and ignorance.
So frankly Aunty Belle, to use an old christian term, you are talking through a rather large hole in your arse.
Now, now, sweet potato, don't get so riled up that youse forgettin' the manners yore mama taught ya'. Oh, this is wearying--this heah is another one of them attacks on the person rather than address the points. Why are you so fearful of the points? Youse cain't say such a thang 'bout ole Aunty B lessen you can back it up--or leastways, not iffin' you want to maintain a modicum of credibilty.
But that I guess is the joy of free speech.
You need to get out more.
On a leash.............but out more.
Well, gracious chile', iffin you'd send me a ticket to come over and visit ya on yer Loch and a git a peek at yore ghost, and have dinner with that fake pearl woman youse ooglin' ...why then I COULD get out a bit more. Mercy, all that mile high club you been trying to get into means youse flying enough to spare some those FF miles for ole Aunty Belle heah. Now, about that leash, honey, you ever seen that cartoon of the little portly man dragged behind his bounding wolfhound?
THE OTHER reponse on "A Potty for Allah" that deserves a reply is from Bird:
Plain truth is that they ain't. Looky, think of this: Naziism was not ALL bad, mah goodness, it taught that a person should work hard to keep in shape and physically fit--good idea, nothing violent about that, right? Except that the reason was so you could physically overpower your "enemy". Were all Naziis bad? Mostly so...some dull witted folks were too easily persuaded, but the point is that Naziism is by its teachings a vicious system of philosophy, and it wasn't possible to be a moral or good person and be a Nazi if youse following its precepts. Mutually EXclusive. The same is true of Islam. The precepts are evil.
Last thang: what you believe determines your attitude toward this heah world and its inhabitants. It structures yore thought. So when a weak Christian screws up and does something wrong according to the teachings of the bible and the Church, he /she feels remorse and wants to make ammends and move toward correcting her fault on account of violating the teaching they believe to be true and right and good. The weakness is not the teaching, the failure is not the teaching. The teaching is good but the poor practice of the teaching is a personal fault of the believer. So a bad behavin' Christian is a weak soul in need of reform, but that's for a failure to follow the teaching--Yet in Islam the very teaching impells a dreadful attitude toward others one deems to be 'infidels." Thus the "faithful" acts of Islam are a prescription for evil.