1.27.2008

Is Islam Evil? Essay II



Essay II


Islam and the West: A Brief History


“In this final phase, the world of the infidels was divided between two superpowers, the Soviet Union and the United Sates. We have now dealt successfully with the more deadly, the more dangerous of the two infidel powers. Dealing with the soft, pampered, and degenerate Americans will be easy.”

---Osama bin Laden


What does bin Laden mean by “this final phase”? He refers to history, the final phase of history before Islam rules the globe on behalf of Allah. He uses “we” to address not only his immediate followers but the entirety of the Islamic world. Further, he assumes they have an appreciation for Islamic history since Muslim raiders first erupted from the Arabian Peninsula to declare jihad on the rest of humanity. By 750 A.D. Islam ravaged much of the known world. Bin Laden’s followers know their history, its victories, its recent defeats and its desire for a final victory. They know their history.

Do you?


Contents

1. Palestine 70 A.D.
2. Rome Falls, Christian Europe is Born
3. Palestine and the Coming of Islam
4. Jihad and Sexual Tension


Note to new readers:

Comments have been made that this blog is "bigoted" because it observed that Islam is intrinsically evil--that is, that Islam teaches evil in the Qur'an and the Hadiths (See glossary) .

To make such a statement is not bigoted if it can be shown from Islam's own teachings--political and religious-- that its premises give rise to evil.

An important distinction: I have not said that Muslims are all evil. That is quite false. What is asserted here is that Islamic teaching is gravely flawed and is a breeding ground for all manner of evil. In some quarters there are Islamic teachers of moderation. But these are "modern" and according to some Islamic leaders such moderation is opposed to Mohamed's teaching.

These essays demonstrate that Islam is first a political and military system, and as such dominates its origin as a religion.

Please find resources including glossary, Qur'an , bibliography and maps Down in the Hollow (see also link at right) To better understand this second essay, please see Essay I on Islam


Palestine 70 A.D.

The water was gone. Vespasian’ engineers diverted the wells and inside the Temple Mount every throat was seared from thirst. Roman soldiers swarmed through breeches in the walls. The few who had escaped to the Temple during the siege of Jerusalem now faced a brutal slaughter.

Some years earlier violence erupted in Caesarea, Nero looking on from Rome, when Greeks invaded the seaside city. By 66 A.D faithful Jews managed to seize the traitor Herod’s fortress, Massada, overwhelming the Roman garrison. The Jewish band inspired other “rebels” to move on Jerusalem, to the Temple; there they forced the heretical priests to cease their blasphemous sacrifices to Emperor Nero. Rome answered their rebellion.


Now the horrors recounted in Josephus’ history, Jewish Wars, gripped the emaciated Jewish survivors of the three-year Roman siege as they huddled within the walls of the Temple. So few Jews were left in Jerusalem that cats outnumbered people.

A generation earlier, in 33 A.D., after Christ was crucified, resurrected and ascended to heaven, His followers were instructed to “Go ye into all the world….” The first Christians –mostly Jews—no longer considered the Temple in Jerusalem to be the center of their faith or identity, though it was revered. Their faith included Jewish history, the prophets and the books of the Old Testament, but was newly centered in God made Man in the Person of Jesus. Jesus, now understood as God, the Second Person of the Trinity, promised to be with them bodily, though supernaturally, in the Mass. Hence, worship did not depend on a location or a building.

Palestine—literally land of the Philistines, a Greek people who settled in Canaan about 12th cent, B.C.—was the Holy Land, but He who made it holy was with Christians wherever the Mass was celebrated.

These disciples established Christian communities all over the Hellenized world (Greek and Latin speaking cultures of the Mediterranean and the Middle East) as well as North Africa and parts of India. In Antioch, they were first called “Christians.” Some Christians remained in Jerusalem where Herod the Great persecuted them-- beheading the apostle James, first bishop of Jerusalem. Yet, the early Christian efforts at evangelization had moved far beyond the borders of hereditary Israel. Those who remained in Israel after the Christian expansion were Jews who lived in an uneasy division—those faithful to Jewish law, and those who, like Herod and the apostate priests of the Temple, maintained their power via collusion with detested Rome.

Now Jerusalem was on fire. Battering rams hurled boulders against the temple walls…when the city was finally subdued, the temple lay utterly destroyed.



The few survivors were taken slaves and Jews were forbidden to reenter the city. Jewish faith, deprived of its Temple, was forced to abandon its daily sacrifices as commanded in the Old Testament; the Jewish priesthood was obliterated along with the Temple and all that remained was the rabbinic authority.





The “Diaspora” or dispersed Jews formed communities in Rome, Carthage, and Iberia (Spain). Many traveled to what is today Eastern Europe and Russia. Some joined the ancient Jewish settlements in the Arabian Peninsula(See Essay I).

Jerusalem was then colonized by those Rome permitted to scavenge among the ruins of the once magnificent city. Pagan practices flourished. Sporadic rebellions by small Jewish armies flare up against the Romans until 135 A.D. However, the Romans resettle “Syria- Palestine” with Gentiles. Small Jewish settlements remain on the borders of Palestine.

Islam lay 500 years in the future.

Rome Falls, Christian Europe Is Born

Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in 312. His predecessors, particularly Diocletian, persecuted Christians, burning their homes, churches and books. Christians were imprisoned and enslaved and even children were beheaded.

After his conversion, the Emperor issued the Edict of Milan, which made Christian worship lawful. Under Constantine a renewed interest in the Holy Land spurred rebuilding in the historic cities of Palestine. Under his patronage and that of his mother, Helena, hundreds of Catholic Churches were built—most notably the Church of the Nativity and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Thousands of Christians moved to Palestine (Israel) to be in the land where their Savior lived. More came on pilgrimage. At this time the Jewish population was a small minority. (picture?)

The Emperor also built an imperial city in Byzantium (Turkey), the famed Constantinople, modern day Istanbul. Byzantium is the Eastern Roman Empire—the Greek speaking half of the Empire. Greek culture predominated. Historians often date the birth of “Christendom” from the conversion of Constantine and the Edict of Milan. When the legal structure of the empire favored Christianity, it permitted Christians to assume office, seek education, build cities and establish a Christian culture. (Pagans however were not persecuted, nor prevented from continuing their “outmoded practices” in the emperor’s words.)

Meanwhile, in the heart of Persia (Modern day Iraq and Iran), Christians were tolerated. The Chaldean Church (Iraq) is one of the oldest in Christian history. After Constantine converted, some Persian rulers persecuted Christians because they were now allies of the detested Roman Emperor.

The key point to consider is that Christianity was well established both geographically as well as culturally throughout Roman Empire by 350A.D. including Palestine and much of the Middle East, and even as far as India and the British Isles. (The apostle Thomas established a Catholic community in India by 70 A.D., Bartholomew in Arabia, St. James to Spain.) Christians assimilated both Greek learning and the Roman Rule of Law. Missionaries were sent to Britain, France and beyond. Both England and France had a strong Christian culture by 400 A.D. In a few short centuries the peaceful spread of Christianity covered large areas of three continents. Christians needed no swords, no pillage, and no promises of eternal orgies in exchange for the massacre of unbelievers.

In contrast, three hundred years later, as Islamic jihad gouged out a new map of the Middle East, the method of "evangelization" was by the sword. While both Christianity and Islam would make claims for their faith as the final revelation from God, the method of spreading their respective messages stand in stark contradiction.

When Julian the Pagan became emperor (361-63) Christians again fled persecution, reminiscent of the early persecutions. Drawings and inscriptions on the walls of Roman catacombs detail the plight of the persecuted. (picture). Julian also turned his hatred on the Persians, fomenting a simmering war that continued for 200 years, depleting and weakening the entire region of east of Palestine.

(at left: Christ as Good Shepherd on wall of the Catacombs in Rome)


St. Augustine (4th cent.) thought that Providence had ordered history so that Christianity would take root very quickly throughout the known world. That famous Pax Romana --the general lawfulness and order and the efficient Roman governance, provisions (roads), insured that missionary travels could be readily achieved—to carry out the Savior’s command to “go ye into all the world”. Most citizens spoke Latin and Greek—a common language also makes evangelization easier.

The wealth and education of the Empire meant populated cities—in short, within a 150 years the Christian gospel had reached the outer bands of the Roman Empire, which ruled 60 million inhabitants.

The Roman Empire to the West fell in 475 to the barbarian hordes. The Huns, expelled a half-century earlier from China, gradually made heir way westward. They, drove out Goths, Franks, Vandals, Sueves, Lombards, Saxons—all of these found a bloated soft “empire” whose borders were ill governed, ill protected. (hmmm? Sound familiar?)

All of the area we call the “West” was suddenly comprised of new nations: Lombards in Italy, a Goths and Visigoths migrated to Spain, the Frankish kingdom in Gaul, and the Angles and Saxons in the British Isles. The Dark Ages began—essentially a brutish chaos, fighting between the barbarians and the citizens of the former Roman Empire. Much of the learning and culture of the Roman era were lost to the average citizen.

The lightening spread of Christendom had followed the implosion of an empire under a series of debauched and lazy emperors. Christians suffered persecution and tortuous deaths. This suffering witness needed no armies to “convert” others. It is reasonable to assume that at this hinge moment—wit the empire crumbling around them—people were open to hearing the Christian message.

When barbarians confronted the early Popes, they met a message, not an army. Attila the Hun turned back from Rome when the elderly Pope Leo met him at the outskirts of the city, asking Attila as “conqueror of peoples” to conquer his own wrath and in mercy to turn back his raiders for the city of Rome was unable to defend itself. (Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, chapter 35).

Christians set about preserving the wealth of Greek, Jewish and Roman learning –great monasteries with scriptoriums salvaged enormously important human achievements in the arts, agriculture, history, math and science as well as languages and of course, the scriptures. And they evangelized the invading tribes, most of them converted. Missionaries were sent throughout Europe and into Russia. (St. Patrick converted Ireland around the year 432, St. Columba evangelized Northern Scotland 590s.) These were the forebears –in genetics and in faith of most of the European population today.

Though the Roman Empire fell, Christianity grew. Christian principles taught that every person has an equal and inherent dignity before God, the Father of all. One’s eternal worth did not depend on one’s financial or social worth. [Cato saw the slave is chattel, an economic instrument with no right to human dignity. In contrast, St. Paul sends the runaway slave Onesimus back to his master to be “received not now as a slave, but instead of a slave, a most dear brother, especially to me. But how much more to thee, both in the flesh and in the Lord”] One may be the squire, the other a groomsman, but both were brothers in Christ. Each has an obligation to the other as Christians first, as squire and groom second. This creed is the foundation of European law, a Europe that is the birthplace of “human rights’ ”law. Christianity saved Western Europe from both pagan barbarism and Eastern nihilism, in the form of esoteric and Gnostic—essentially anti-humanistic—values.

Most of what we value in our civilization — hospitals, museums, universities, and the idea of human rights — is by origin Christian. These civilizing institutions and ideals did not arrive with the Vikings or Germanic tribes, or from the Eastern Gnostics.

Despite intra familial fighting, Europe was forged as a people with the same worldview. That worldview was fused to the Greek and Roman traditions and learning that the monks preserved during the darkest reign of barbarians or despots. It is said that the Christian faith created Europe and Europe created the Modern World.

Palestine and the Coming of Islam

Meanwhile, back at the oasis— The Persians (Sassanid dynasty) continued their advances against the Byzantines (eastern Empire) They took Damascus and Jerusalem, yanked the True Cross from the Church in Jerusalem and off loaded it in Ctesiphon, a massive city on the banks of the Tigris River in what is now Iraq. It was the ultimate insult.

Naturally, Emperor Heraclius takes a posse-- bearing the Mandylion (Later known as the Shroud of Turin) as their banner-- to retrieve the hunk of the True Cross (629 A.D.)

But this two hundred year seesaw war exhausts both the Byzantine and the Persian empires—providing a crucial opportunity for the Arab Muslims who have the urge to flex their new powers against something beyond the Arabia Peninsula. (Besides, there was great enmity between the Persians and the Arabs).

The Persians—thus depleted and lying around panting—had nothing left to fight off the Desert Terror—that is, the Muslin warriors took Ctesiphon in 637, when Umar was Caliph.

Over on the Mediterranean, in Palestine, Egypt, Turkey, Christians had their own internal wars—a lot of energy spent on disputes over heresies. (Palestine harbored partisans of the Monophysite heresy.) This made them ripe for a takeover by the Persians with the aid of the Jews who hoped the Persians would restore what the Romans took from them –Damascus fell in 613, Palestine in 614. Byzantines recovered the Holy Land for the Christians by 630. Soon thereafter Mohamed orders invasion of Palestine …a skirmish only since the he is dying.

By 632 --the year of Mohamed's death, the Muslims rule the Arabian peninsula. Next Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Egypt, and Persia --all belonging to the Persians or the Byzantines--succumb to jihad. After mourning, the Muslims renew their assault on the Holy Land and 634 Gaza goes Muslim and Christians flee ahead of the scimitars.

By 638, Jerusalem was controlled by Muslims. For 1300 years the Jews and Christians of Palestine have lived in dhimmitude.

[Mohammed once insisted that his followers must face Jerusalem when praying—thought to be a ploy to gain the support of the Jews of Mecca and Medina. The Koran does not mention Jerusalem. Yet it is supposed to be the site from which the prophet “ascended to Heaven” on his famous a night journey dream. Later caliphs decided this event took place in Jerusalem. They built the Dome of the Rock had been built in 687, and today the Al-Aqsa Mosque stands on the same site.]

After the Muslims conquered Syria (north of Palestine) they marched straight for Constantinople –first raid is in 675 or so…but it was repulsed. Not easily put off, the Muslims swarm over the island nations of Cyprus, Rhodes and Crete. Here brutality went unchecked—as though some demonic rage fueled its energy. With vast plunder to enrich its war coffers, Islamic warriors invaded, with no provocation, the first European “nation” —Cyprus, a Byzantine protectorate. The majority population was Greek. Two Muslim armies converged, 1700 warships strong (649). Those who escaped massacre were invited to pay vast sums in tribute to the governor of Muslim Syria.

The battles for Crete and Rhodes followed the first jihad raid on Cyprus. At Rhodes the famous Colossus of Rhodes (built in 290 BC) —one of the seven wonders of the ancient world—was disassembled and shipped back to Syria in 73 boats—there the Saracens (Muslims) sold it for scrap metal. Next jihad turned on Sicily and Sardinia, “sacking cities, carrying off booty and beautiful maidens.” (688 A.D.)

Islamic armies in the Mediterranean were led by an enormous personality, Muawiya, son of Abu Sufyan, who had once tried to kill Mohamed in battle. Abu was a businessman first, when Mohammed conquered Mecca, Abu converted. His son went on to become one of history’s greatest warriors.

Jihad and Sexual Tension

After the jihad on the islands of the Mediterranean, Islam swarmed over North Africa decimating Christian towns, burning and looting from churches and homes--then over the straights of Gibraltar into Spain (711) where they begin an eight-hundred year reign of wars, rape, slavery, pillage, and every manner of domination. Conquered populations were offered three “peaceful” choices: Convert to Islam, the sword, or pay yearly tributes and live as second-class citizens. Plunder and slaughter always preceded the persuasive offer.

How shall we assess the unparalleled military victories of the Muslims? In a scant hundred years after Mohamed’s death vast stretches of the former Byzantine and Roman Empires had fallen to the Saracen sword. Military scholars remain amazed at the ferocity of the Muslim warriors—an intensity never reached and sustained by other armies.

Two primary answers:

  1. Muslim warriors were taught that it was their religious duty to kill infidels—and by such duty save their own souls from damnation—either kill or suffer hell. As an added incentive the warrior who fell in battle against infidels received his multiple “houris” (maidens of pleasure) and orgasms that lasted “years”. Thus stimulated before battle, Muslim jihadists devoutly sought this eternity of sexual pleasure, not unlike the kamikaze pilots of WWII. This sexualized eternity stood in sharp contrast to the spiritual beneficence that Christianity promised. For the man who survived in battle the rewards were only slightly less appealing: plunder and spoils to fill his camel bags and the sex-slaves made of conquered women.

From the Hadiths of AL-Tirmidhi (892): “A houri is the most beautiful young woman, transparent in body. Her marrow is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She is as red wine in a white glass. Her body is of white color, and she is free from the physical weaknesses of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, and bodily pollution, she does not bear a child. A houri is a young girl showing large round breasts, firm and that do not dangle. Houris dwell in splendid palaces.”

Note that the Qur’an itself does not promise the number of houris a martyr enjoys…that number is found in the hadiths. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunan (volume IV).

As detailed Al-Suyuti (died 1505), an Our’anic scholar: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.”

Where on earth, literally, could a common man find such pleasures? A poor desert warrior is beguiled with promises that he is to become like Mohamed, a pitiless slayer of infidels, who surely took his fill of pleasure and yet was “holy”

At the risk of titillating readers of this blog, no more examples need be given –but imagine for a moment hordes of confined men at some forsaken desert garrison with too few earthly houris to go around…. how easily the man becomes a willing and ferocious martyr to his urgent imaginings of eternal sexual bliss—a type of bliss not found by any man on earth. Imagine too, death by scimitar from behind should you fail to fight the infidel in front of you.

  1. The second critical factor to the astonishing success of Islamic jihad in the early years of Islam is that their targets were weakened by years of war and lacked cohesive leadership. Worse, perhaps, was the religious disunity due to the rise in of heretical sects.

Part II

The Crusades: Liberation of Christians in the Holy Land

…. Coming next…

16 comments:

boneman said...

actually, bin laden may be more of a Zoraster (sp?) than a Muslim, but, at this point, does it really matter?

Enemy of the Republic said...

Now you are on some turf that I can sink my teeth in! Unfortunately I am fluish today and my comment won't be much.

I was intrigued that you brought up early B.C. Jerusalum. I've always been facinated by it. Of course Islam wasn't a religion then, but after Masada, there was one more revolution that took out the Rabbi Akiva and other notable teachers of the Torah--they were protesting the Roman's insistence on turning Jerusalem into a pagan city. After that, very few Jews were left--many went to Alexandria, Egypt, where a flourishing Jewish community lived and people like Philo wrote his mysticism.

I just want to introduce another side of the Islam debate. I don't disagree that much conversion happened with the sword, but some, as with the first group Mohammed fought, chose the faith because he showed mercy to them. When Pope Urban called for the First Crusade in the 11th century, the Muslims had been firmly entrenched in Palestine for a few centuries and little persecution to Jews had taken place. Muslims, on the other hand, got to meet with the likes of Gengis Khan and the Mongrols; that's when they got a taste of real battle and they did not do well under such savagry. Yet the Mongrols eventually converted as well--odd.

I will have to come back and read your last section more closely, but medieval warfare was about sexual pleasure as much as it was about gaining land and treasure. Common soldiers, be they Christians or Muslims, gained what they captured in women, jewelry, animals--all of that. English Christians raped and killed Joan of Arc's family in France under Henry V. I am not saying you are wrong; I am simply saying that it was the way things were done--the Crusades were done in the name of God and penitance for sin; many soldiers were not cynical, but believed in what they were doing, yet even the great Geoffrey of Boullion routed the city of Jerusalem, killing Muslim and Jew alike--the blood of the soldiers reached their knees. The soldiers were either too revved up or simply unable to trust or tell a Jew from a Muslim.

What you don't mention, and I will is the burning of the library in Alexandria. That was done by the Muslims when they overtook the Christians there. That one really upsets me as we lost books that could have told us so much about antiquity. Sure, the Christians did the same in Constantinople, and some may have been the same books that were burned in Alexandria or copies of them, but what we have left of antiquity is what was smuggled out or what the monks managed to copy during the Dark Ages. Yes, people are more important than books, but I stand by my previous paragragh that warfare was conducted brutally by all sides. I am not a peacenik; war is inevitable and human history has shown that it will not stop.

Wow, I did manage to comment! Often sacred texts and the practioners are two different things. The Muslims wanted territory in the Middle Ages; they got Spain, and (I have to check) some parts of Italy for a while but they were stopped. Christian Europe had the crusades for a variety of reasons: faith was one, unification of the warring barons, particularly in France was another, growth of the papacy as a central power was another, and the need to hate someone else besides other Christians who happened to be vassals to this overlord and what not. In that sense the first crusade was a success and the rest were a waste of time. And it gave more reason for the Muslims to hate us and use it against us.

Sorry--I went on. But I do see history and faith often in two separate categories. Good research, my friend Auntie.

Enemy of the Republic said...

Sorry that is AD Jerusalem. Like I said, I'm a little sick.

The Troll said...
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Aunty Belle said...

Hey ya'll--I'se on the fly (Deadline
at noon--yikes!) So please yak on--I'll be back to explore more wif' ya'll--thanky fer stoppin in!!

American Interests said...

Always leave this site with a better understanding of this evil inclined religion...great work thanks Aunty...

WomanHonorThyself said...

brilliant work and effort AB...keep fightin the good fight!

Anonymous said...

Wow! I had never heard of the Mandylion. Is it for real?

The Troll said...

I learned a few new things about the muslibs from this essay but it's too big to comment upon succintly.


Maybe Aunty should suggest small sections for specific discussions.

Aunty Belle said...

Hey ya'll...taking a short break--tomorrow is mah deadline--ain't got too much time teill Saturday.

HOWEVER, I was alerted to do somethin' clever--since the post is long, I put a "jump to comment page" in the righthand sidebar so ya'll doan need to scroll through the whole dern thang again jes' to catch up wif the comments.

Boney -thas' a possibility, since the Arabian peninsula was well settled at that time by sects of Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians. The hodge podge that the Qur'an is reflects various influences.

More intriguing is the radical shift in the Qur'an after Mohamed moved to Medina after his wife Khadija died. While she lived, and they were in Mecca, the Qur'anic verses are peaceful.

The verses differ so markedly after her death and his move to Medina that some theorize he had a psychotic break of some sort--there is evidence of epilepsy in the historical biography of Mohamed.

Recall that Mohamed himself reported that in fear he sat upon Khadija's lap and she soothed him--an odd relationship at best--she was both mother to the orphaned young man and wife.

Hey Enemy! Always happy to have you stop by. You done brought up a complicated topic--how barbarous were soldiers of ANY belief? In the case of Joan of Arc, many of these English soldiers were not Christians in practice, only in culture (Same as today!)

As to the jihadi use of sexual tension as a preparation for war--and that created such ferocious warriors-- this is unknown among other warrior groups. Surely you are correct that many soldiers in every era and of all ethnicities or beliefs were motivated by the lure of lucre--to the victor go the spoils .

But sex per se did not often serve as a motivator for battle for Christians and Jews and Tartars and Huns etc... because non-muslim soldiers (of whatever faith) did not believe in the eternal sexual delirium.

Non-muslim soldiers understood that their next sexual encounter required that they be alive. Thus non-muslim soldiers fought for faith, country, treasure, conquest--even for the "sport" of it to test their own valor--but few saw it as the gateway to sexual nirvana. This is the "genius" of the first and second caliphs--that they were able to use the promised houris as a prod to have men very deliberately sacrifice their lives
as the path to this eternal pleasure.

Contrast that to --for example--the Crusaders whose theology was that one is to preserve one's life--accept death in battle if it comes, or martyrdom if it is the only option rather than renounce faith, but Christians are not supposed to deliberately seek death (or martyrdom).

Anon, yes the Mandylion was /is an actual cloth that was used to defend Constantinople--whether the image of Christ on it is miraculous or was a pious work of art is the question.

Hey Troll-man. sigh--too much in the post? Sorry. But yore suggestion is a good one.

Here is a topic we might chew on--how Christianity spread by the power of the gospel message --early Christians did not have power or position often were jailed and persecuted...it did not persuade by violence--but Islam did.

Today Islam is spreading by fear and conquest a of old--not a persuasive message for mankind. Few want to emulate the Muslim life.

Also, on topic is reviewing this history one sees that Islam attacked nations for no purpose other than conquest--that is, they had no argument with Palestine when they invaded it, nor with Cyprus, or Egypt or Spain--they were a band of marauders, not missionaries!

The Qur'an taught them that their path to holiness was via killing and enslaving all who refused their message--this is the point of the post--that Islam is intrinsically flawed--it officially teaches murder and mayhem as a method of missionary "success."

boneman said...

yes'm, but, I was referring to that confounded prediction of Zarathustra. Seems the clown bin laden fulfilled it almost to a tee.

But, holy cow! (no offense to Hindoos) That Enemy really had that chunk of history tied down, eh?
Cool city!

The Troll said...

Aunty Said:

' Hey Troll-man. sigh--too much in the post? Sorry. But yore suggestion is a good one.

Here is a topic we might chew on--how Christianity spread by the power of the gospel message --early Christians did not have power or position often were jailed and persecuted...it did not persuade by violence--but Islam did. "

Troll replies:

Thanks much. That's undeniably true and a crucial difference. A part of that, of course, is the rank racism and tribalism of Mohammed's early followers. The "dhimmi" , especially Black Africans, were considered incapable morally of accepting Islam willingly.

Much of the Book of Acts concerns the Early Christians (mostly Jews ethnically) over-coming their racist and tribalist views and realizing the Good News of the Gospel of Christ Jesus was for EVERYONE. A truly revolutionary concept in that time.

The Evangelist Philip being one of the earliest examples. He brought the Gospel to the half-breed Samaritans that Jews such as himself were taught to regard as ethnically inferior. Then he taught the Gospel to a (almost certainly Black) Ethiopian. Another race he would have been taught to despise before becoming a Christian.

There is NOTHING in the History of islam or it's current wretched state that compares with that. And MUCH that proves rank racism and tribalism are still a dominant force in Islam. The entire history of islamic conquest in black Africa shows that. And, of course, the Sudan and several other places prove it today.


Leftist slogan-chanters love to screech about Racism yet they love muslims and hate Christians.

Strange, huh?

Aunty Belle said...
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Anonymous said...

Ah Auntie, Auntie. It is over anyway. The Muslims outbreed us Anglo-Saxons, Franks and Lombards.

boneman said...

Did some looking for specific answers on the Zrathustra thing...
What I found was two things.

#1 it was not Zarathustra I was thinking about, but rather, Nostradamus.
The prophecy being the two missles on the East caost. And, in the finding of same, also discovered the truth behind it all.
The truth, it seems to me, is that someone somewhere is trying to make some money on the fears of folks.
The wording of the new volumes of "survive-the-doomed-future" books are all aimed at producing a fear/chill into folks then sell them an idea, or a book, or a movie, or just no flipping end to the claptrapcrap they will sell, sometimes for money, but, absolutely for belief.
Belief.
Way under-rated word there. Way under-rated.
Beware what you believe in. It might not be true, and you'll have spent your life away following a blind person.
Me? Screw Zarathustra or Nostradamus or anyone for that matter that says I have to act a certain way to get to heaven. Folks that sometimes don't even have the simple concern to be decent. Be civilized. THEY have become their own leaders.
THEY are wrong.

#2 Folks will run screaming at the top of their wretched lungs, eyes tight shut, right towards an abyss, and all the while they will curse those who don't follow them. (you know this, though, don't you? You've also met up with folks that are very like this...but, sometimes when they are close, it may be hard to see for what it is)

The act of fear mongering is a fruitless and useless act. In the movie, Kingdom of Heaven, Balian calls out to the Hospitaler, "...you're going with the army?"
"My order is with the army." Hospitaler replies.
"But you go to certain death!" Balian complains.
"All death is certain...." came the reply.
....and, sure enough, it is.
So? Shall we worry over the matter?

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